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Joan Elaine Groves Briscoe

Interviewed on April 10, 2004, Joan Briscoe’s family moved from New York to St. Mary’s County following a family tragedy where her brother was killed by a disgruntled teenager. She talks about the schools she attended which include Phyllis Wheatley, Jarboesville, Cardinal Gibbons, and Great Mills. Mrs. Briscoe mentions the “three-sided” house that her father built and the work he did as a licensed electrician. She speaks at length about working with the Court specifically the NAACP to enroll in a white school and the experience attending Great Mills High School specifically with her brother, Conrad. She talks about the integration policy and proceedings with the Board of Education along with the topic of St. Mary’s residents being “indoctrinated in the local ways”. Mrs. Briscoe speaks at length about her parents, specifically her mother, marriage, moving to the Cayman Islands and the importance of education. She concludes with discussing segregation's impact on black people, community activities, and experiences with the church leaders in St. Mary’s County. Interviewed again on August 8, 2007, Joan Briscoe discusses living with her parents William and Rebecca Groves in California, Maryland. There were five children, her father was a member of the NAACP who wanted to help with the integration process. She speaks at length about attending an integrated school from New York to St. Mary’s County and not only her educational experience but her brother, Conrad as well. She talks about her positive experiences with the educational system such as keeping in touch with students and teachers. Mrs. Briscoe expresses her gratitude at being able to attend Great Mills High School and she concludes with hope that children now are taking advantage of the opportunity to get an education. 

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Estelle Clayton

Mrs. Estelle Clayton was interviewed on August 3, 2005, by the UCAC. Mrs. Clayton grew up in California, Maryland, with her maternal grandparents, Mr. Joseph Arthur Chase and Mrs. Edith Estelle Biscoe Chase. Ms. Clayton discusses her mother, Ms. Alice Rebecca Chase, and her employment in D.C. and Baltimore. She grew up with her cousins and sister, Ms. Gloria Cecilia McCutchen Kittrell, and discusses playing games with them and dancing. Mrs. Clayton graduated from Jarboesville High School and attended Bowie for College. After receiving her education, she worked as an elementary school teacher for many different schools, including Carver Elementary School and schools in Baltimore City, Prince George's County, and D.C. All of these schools included different challenges in student behavior. Mrs. Clayton raised three children with her husband, Mr. John Solomon Clayton. Throughout her interview, Mrs. Clayton describes how segregation affected her in education, religion, and medical care. She describes the small ways that she and members of her community would resist the adverse effects of segregation. Mrs. Clayton ends the interview by reflecting on how times have changed, noting a difference in children's behavior.



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Joseph Curtis

Mr. Joseph Curtis was interviewed on April 9, 1997, and February 18, 2024, for the UCAC. Mr. Curtis was born in Leonardtown, Maryland. His father, John Henry Curtis Sr., ran a car shop, which Mr. Curtis would eventually own. Mr. Curtis would attend Ridge Elementary and Carver Heights for elementary school. Afterward, he attended Great Mills High School before going to Washington, D.C., where he graduated from Lincoln Tech with a degree in automotive technology. Mr. Curtis would work in Alabama before returning to St. Mary’s County to take over the family business, Curtis Tire Center, Inc., located in Lexington Park, MD. Mr. Curtis spends much of his interview discussing the business lessons he learned from his father. Namely, he focused on being a welcoming employer and greeting customers respectfully. He also focused on being honest with his customers, even if it cost the business money. Mr. Curtis hopes to share these lessons with his three children.

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Hollywood

Donald M. Barber

Interviewed on September 18, 2004, Donald Barber begins the interview by talking about schooling, Hollywood, Banneker, and St. Mary’s College of Maryland. He was employed at Pathways and then goes on to talk about his parents. He speaks at length about education experiences, siblings’ experiences in segregated schools, experiences in 1960s integration, and the overall impression of an educational experience. He mentions discrimination, integrational relationships, generational struggles, political system importance, and voting. Mr. Barber concludes the interview by speaking at length about his early days at Sotterley, being on the Board of Trustees for the Sotterley Foundation, and the importance of Sotterley being a resource for African Americans. 


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Nicholas Vincent Biscoe

Interviewed on March 6, 1997, Mr. Biscoe speaks at length about his current home on Holland Manor Dr. and his family's lifestyle. He then talks about life as a child and important values he learned from family and church. Mr. Biscoe reflects upon fond memories of school and the pre-wedding ritual in church. He mentions all of the various jobs he's had, specifically on the Navy Base, and how employment fostered community partnerships. Mr. Biscoe speaks at length about his wife and the importance of religion, especially to life in St. Mary's County. He makes concluding remarks about his achievements/goals, education, and the importance of family. 


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Lexington Park

Catherine Brenda Thompson Coates

Interviewed on September 15, 1996, Catherine Thompson was one of seven children born to John Robert Shelton and Mary Henrietta Edelen Shelton. She was born in Leonardtown, MD on February 22, 1918, she speaks at length about her family and their community involvement with the St. Aloysius Church in Leonardtown. Mrs Thompson discusses peer pressure and how that affects children/teens nowadays which leads her to talk about the relationships between her siblings. She talks about travel and how only two black people had cars in Leonardtown, her father would take the family on buggy rides. There were a lot of illnesses in the family which Mrs Thompson details specifically what doctors took care of them and the remedies used. She talks about her parents teaching discipline but not preparing her well for life and she highlights her struggle with education. Mrs Thompson got married when she was 19 and was very busy especially with her 13 children and religious involvement with organizations such as the Big Foot Helpers Club. She speaks at length about the quality of life in St. Mary’s County, highlighting both the past, present, and future of the county’s inhabitants. She details the struggle with race relations and segregation but how that affected her feelings and perspective toward St. Mary’s County. Mrs Thompson concludes the interview with a discussion about her hobbies and objects she collects. 
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Lovell Eugene Grymes & George Thorton Grymes

Interviewed on December 9, 2003, George Grymes was president of Carver School PTA around 1956, he moved to St. Mary’s County in 1946 and began a ministry in 1956. He was president of Carver School PTA during segregation, it was an all-black school, and he was active with the NAACP. He mentions the Groves children being the first two children integrated into Great Mills High School; he recalls stories discussed at the NAACP meetings regarding how these first children were treated during integration. He is asked questions about how the children got along at Great Mills High School, he was also treasurer of the PTA at Great Mills. His son's names are Lovell and Mitchell and his daughter lives in California, he discusses ever being concerned about his children leaving segregated Carver to attend integrated Great Mills. Mr. Grymes speaks at length about community relations, equity in education, and socially on the streets. The interview then switches to Lovell Grymes discussing the desegregation of Great Mills High School, he went to Great Mills High School in 1967 and graduated in 1969. He speaks at length about the different activities he participated in throughout high school and how he has gone to class reunions. Mr. Lovell Grymes concludes the interview by discussing other people to interview and his science teacher Don Magnani.


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George Thorton Grymes

Interviewed on May 27, 1997, George Grymes was born in King George in Eastern Virginia on a 37-acre farm. He lived in DC for one year before joining the army, he moved to St. Mary’s County in 1947 because of a job on Base. Since 1970 he has lived on Rt. 235 but lived in Carver Heights when he first arrived, he speaks at length about his childhood and earliest memories. His family would take trips and attend church but was not involved within the community, he talked about health and illnesses along with taking care of the seniors. Mr. Grymes speaks at length about his family and growing up in St. Mary’s County until marriage, then he shifts the conversation to first jobs, going to the army, and the role of religion in his life. He discusses the school system, segregation, and differences between areas of the county. He talks about how Catholicism controlled the country and was also an industrial influence. Mr. Grymes concludes the interview by talking about personal awards, valuable things, final words, and how he teaches Sunday school and young people how to read.


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Patuxent River Naval Base

Theresa Smith Cassagnol

Interviewed on June 1, 2002, Theresa Cassagnol was born in Pierson (currently the Naval Base) in 1933, she says that most Blacks lived closer to the light than to the water. She attended Jarboesville School and details her experience with the educational system both as a student and a teacher. Miss Cassagnol mentions Father Horace McKenna and the community service he did to ensure the children were living a good life. She attended Hampton Institute University for two years until she went home because her mother was ill. Miss Cassagnol student-taught at Carver and details the topic of segregation, especially concerning not being taught at school. She talks about her childhood, family life, and activities they would all participate in as a form of recreation. Miss Cassagnol reflects upon the war years and base disruption/relocation along with special memories from schools. She discusses the limited resources about Blacks at Jarboesville, and her children’s experiences at St. Michael’s School specifically with the nuns. Miss Cassagnol concludes the interview by speaking at length about parents and students in the education system and how the parents weren’t kept informed of their child’s progress.

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James Melvin Coates

Interviewed on December 11, 1996, James Coates lives in Hollywood, MD behind the old Hollywood School and First National Bank. He was born in Pearson, MD inside the base, now called Cedar Point. His father was a tenant farmer and mother was a homemaker, his family moved from Pearson when he was 10 to a farm at Arcade Bridge where San Souci is now. He speaks at length about his family specifically what they ate, church, travel and community involvement. Mr Coates talks about schooling and how he didn’t attend much school because he had to go to work. He talks about health and how his mother made remedies but that the family still went to two doctors nearby. Mr Coates speaks at length about games, chores, and learning discipline which is when he mentions going to jail once as a man. He discusses taxes/losing property, salaries, social security and moving to DC. His father died in 1936 which marks a tough period in his life where he turned to religion and would attend St. John’s Catholic Church. He answers questions about city vs. country living, race relations and the Navy Base. Mr Coates concludes the interview by discussing his achievements and rich vs. poor.  

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Viola Cutchember

Interviewed on June 1, 2002, Viola Cutchember was born in 1932 in Pierson, MD, where the Pax Naval Base is currently located. Mrs. Cutchember attended Patuxent Beach Elementary, a one-room school built by her grandparents where she studied at from 1st to 7th grade. She later attended Jaboesville High School when Patuxent Beach Elementary closed down. Mrs. Cutchember then went on to become a school teacher, attending Bowie State College and teaching at Carver, Park Hall, and Town Creek. Mrs Cutchember recounts that Black History wasn’t taught when she was in school. When she was a teacher in the mid-60s, schools became integrated for teachers first and then for students. Mrs. Cutchember also has a daughter who is a teacher at Oakville, following in her mother’s footsteps despite the poor pay teachers receive.


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